1. Vincent Bach Trumpet Serial Numbers
2. Selmer Bach Trumpet Serial Numbers

Note: Vincent Bach used the trade names of Stradivarius, Mercedes, Mercury, Minerva, and Apollo. For some reason, Vincent jumped around a little on serial numbers. For example, in 1928 the Apollo serial numbers were 8600 - 8700. In 1939 the Mercury models had serial numbers in the 10,000s. The first Minerva (#2722) was built in 1958. Dell latitude 7480 drivers. For better or worse, the Bach 37 has been the standard to which all others are compared for many years. Although a Yammie Zeno is a good horn and quite popular, and although the Bach 37 isn't my cup of tea (I play a 43 lightweight most of the time), a good Bach 37 is a great horn that will last you a lifetime. A trumpet is a brass instrument and is the instrument with the highest register in the brass family. Trumpet-like instruments have historically been used as signaling devices in battle or hunting, with examples dating back to at least 1500 BC.

Robb Stewart has put together some improved serial number dates based onmore recent discoveries. His data can be found here.

Below are my original guesses as to beginning-of-year serial numbers for pre-1952 Olds horns. You can read my reasoning for the pre-1946 numbers, or the 1946-1952 numbers . In arriving at these numbers I have attempted to reconcile the Robb Stewart data with the firsthand reports. I welcome any evidence that can help me improve on these guesses:

Note: According to longtime Olds employee Don Agard, the trumpet and trombone serial number lists were not combined until 1953.This conflicts with the Robb Stewart article, which was also based on interviews with former employees.Since this began as a study of trumpet serial numbers, most of the data collected has been from trumpet owners, sothe impact of this discrepancy is probably minimal on the actual trumpet serial number charts. Howeverif Mr. Agard's account is correct, trombone serial numbers lagged behind trumpets until they were merged in1953. According to Agard, the last 1953 trumpets being in the 68,000 range while trombones in the 48,000 range.This does not agree with the published serial number records, which indicate that they reached 90,000 inFebruary 1953 and 100,000 in October 1953. I don't know how to reconcile these accounts so I'll just presentthem as data collected. At worst, they create some uncertainty for manufacture date of trumpets/cornetsin the 70,000-100,000 range (but the uncertainty is at most a year or two). For trombones, the uncertaintyfor horns prior to 100,000 would be substantially greater. Note that discovery of a trombone with aserial number between 48,000 and 100,000 would disprove the Agard account. I don't have evidence thatsuch a trombone exists but I haven't really looked hard for it since my focus has been on trumpets and cornets.

UPDATE: I now have a report of an Olds Recording trombone s/n 56,668.That suggests that trombone serial numbers went higher than previouslythoughtbefore the merger of trombones and trumpet into a single serial numbersequence.

Jan 2004: an Olds Super trombone was seen on ebay with a serial number of 54,571..even including a nice closeupof the serial number. This doesn't completely disprove the Agard account but at least it means trombones wentat least to 54,571 before the merger Agard describes. We would need to see trombones in the 6x,xxx / 7x,xxx /8x,xxx / 9x,xxx ranges in order to dispute Agard's account with much confidence.

Vincent Bach Trumpet Serial Numbers

Aug 2006: Revising the early trombone dates due to discovery of #4016 with original paperwork showing a manufacture date of 1923!

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Selmer Bach Trumpet Serial Numbers